| Dr
Motoyama is a scientist as well as a yogi, philosopher and
priest. He is a man of many varied interests and talents specializing
in oriental medicine, computing and electrical engineering
who is also a parapsychologist, spiritual healer and seer.
He is head of the Institute for Life Physics, Tokyo, and the
California Institute for Human Science, California. He is concerned
with elucidating the nature of religious experience and the
existence of 'subtle energies' using scientific methods. To
aid in this he has built two machines: one to measure the 'ki'
energy in the meridians (the AMI machine) and another to measure
the energy of the chakras or energy centres of the body (The
Chakra instrument). The AMI instrument is in use in some American
and many Japanese medical institutions as a diagnostic tool
and for research into health and disease and also the paranormal.
In this interview with Share International he talks about some
of his scientific ideas and thoughts for the future development
of this area of research and diagnosis.
Share
International: Dr Motoyama, could you tell us how you got the
idea for building the AMI machine and what are the actual physical
principles on which it is based?
Dr Hiroshi Motoyama: Yes. I had many experiences, beginning 40 to 45 years
ago, of the flow of vital energies during my yoga exercises and I clearly felt,
around the meridians [energy channels], some vital energy like water and heat
going around my body. Particularly I felt Kundalini Shakti or power was very
strong around the spine. At about this time I suffered a lot from disease and
instability and for this reason I often couldn't get up, so I decided to practise
Yoga. After six months to a year I was so much better that I began to experience
for myself the ki or prana energy in my body.
Later
when I was a young lecturer in science at Tokyo University, my
students did not believe me when I told them of my experiences,
using logical arguments only. I thought that their minds were
too heavily influenced by science and so I wanted to verify such
vital or subtle energies flowing in the body by scientific methods
or research.The first time I measured this type of body function
was with the EEG Electroencephalogram or ECG Electrocardiogram
methods used in traditional Western medicine, but it is very
difficult to detect such energy, and Western medicine can 'catch'
only the nervous or muscle tension in the form of electricity,
electrical potential or active potential in the nerves.
One
day, about 25 years ago, I was invited by a visiting professor
to his university in India where we examined, using EEG and so-on,
Yogis and T'ai Chi Chuan masters. I think all the hard work we
did gave me a stomach ulcer, partly because during the spiritual
consultations I did with many people I used only the Manipura
(solar plexus or Hara) chakra, which connects to the stomach
meridian.After my stay in India I thought perhaps my investigations
of such an idea of prana or ki energy were wrong, as we cannot
measure or detect these energies with traditional medical instruments.
So I decided to develop a new machine. I had studied electronic
engineering while at the naval academy and at university, so
now I was able to build a circuit to make a new machine to find
a way of detecting the 'body fluid function'. That is the history
of the AMI, which stands for Apparatus for measuring the functioning
of the Meridians and their corresponding Internal organs.
SI:
Have you built any other machines apart from the AMI?
HM: Yes. My other machine is the chakra machine which was developed two-to-three
years after completing the AMI machine. By directing energy from the subtle
energy centre of the chakra the surrounding electromagnetic environment can
perhaps be changed. Also the lower body has a kind of static potential which
disappears when energy is discharged from the body. So, in a completely dark
room, insulated from physical energies from outside, a person with psychic
ability can direct energy via their awakened chakra and produce light and we
can detect this light and its direction. The instrument to detect this light
and the changes in the electromagnetic field is called the chakra machine.
This machine's first aim was to register light or psychokinetic power and to
see if it could influence an electrical atmosphere, or whether a person can
produce light or not.
SI:
Can you yourself detect or see whether an illness has a karmic
cause, is incurable, or whether it can be cured?
HM: That depends on one's understanding of the human being. I understand the
human being to consist of three dimensions: a body, mind and spirit and each
of them has individuality. If the problem or cause comes from the spiritual
dimension it is generally caused by previous karma and cannot usually be cured
by Western medicine. Disease at the mental level is caused by things that happen
in a person's present life, producing unstable states of mind, and this can
be cured by hypnosis or psychotherapy or psychological approaches. In that
case the person only needs to understand the reason, the causes that create
the problem in the mind. On the physical level, if the body has been affected
by a germ, one only needs medication and often in a short time the person will
be cured.
A
karmic disease, or constitutional handicap caused by karma, is
very difficult to cure, but if we always pray to God to help
such people, then in many cases they can be cured within five
or 10 years. The key point is that they should accept the previous
life that relates to their disease. This is a first step in controlling
the emotions and one can then observe oneself from the outside.
That is the starting point. They pray to God and gradually they
can control their emotions and the very egocentric persistence
(attitude) of the person gradually disappears. They can then
be intact and in a balanced state with other people; and they
will be cured.
SI:
There is a dichotomy between orthodox medicine and the new type
of healing arts based on the meridians and chakras. Do you think
your work has helped to bridge this gap, or is doing so?
HM: Yes, I think it has, because medicine is mostly concerned with mass, the
material aspect. Matter is a kind of accumulation of energy in a fixed order.
Chaos is energy but random, not in order. But when the energy is fixed, in
order, in a certain frequency, etc, it becomes quantum, and this quantum is
the origin of mass. So this quantum forms an electron or a proton or nucleus
and thence an atom. The atoms combine and they make molecules and the molecules
combine to make DNA and protein and then us: matter-with-consciousness. So
any kind of mass is created by energy. This energy is now divided into four
kinds: the weak nuclear, strong nuclear, the electromagnetic and gravitational.
Before it was divided into these four, maybe the energy was one and this energy,
I think, is the ki energy. (Both ki energy and physical energy are important
in healing and this has been the focus of my work.)
SI:
Ah, this is the ki, you think?
HM: Yes, but ki energy is still in the physical dimension even if it is the
'beginning of the physical dimension'. So it will be restricted by space and
time, for example the T'ai Chi Chuan master we studied can only project his
ki energy within a fixed distance. This ki energy is a mediator between the
mental or psychic and the physical dimension.
So
we are proceeding now from Western medicine, which deals with
mass in the chemical form only to the medicine of energy. Then,
beyond that, maybe we will reach the psychic and spiritual level.
SI:
Your work, I would say, verifies the existence of the chakras
and meridians. Do you have any scientific theory as to why the
chakras and meridians are of their particular form or why they
follow their particular paths?
HM: Before we make a theory we must find out the facts. So at my Research Institute
we measured many subjects, maybe about 100,000 so far (over 20 years), and
fortunately we have been able to investigate many psychics, martial arts masters
and yogis as well as students of our own disciplines, yoga exercises and meditation,
and so-on. We have been able to detect the chakras, and also I have some ability
to see the chakras and whether they are awakened in a person or not. So firstly
I would clearly see with my ESP ability [psychic ability] which chakra is awakened.
If
the chakra is awakened we can see the very bright colours of
the aura and also feel much energy from this awakened chakra.
Then we measured subjects with the AMI machine and have been
able to determine if particular chakras are awakened, for example
those who have the manipura chakra awakened have highly energized
spleen, liver, stomach meridians. After analysing much data obtained
from many kinds of psychics or 'normal' people, I found, on the
basis of this data and on the basis of my own super-natural understanding
of such people, that we could connect the specific meridians
with each chakra and link this with traditional theories about
the chakras. For
example, a person with an awakened manipura chakra can control
the emotions, and also the functioning of the digestive system.
We learnt much about each meridian and chakra from working with
yogis and could link this with our AMI data.
SI:
I know you have done some work on telepathy between individuals
and have found how different kinds of telepathy affect the different
chakras. Could you say something about that?
HM: Telepathy usually affects, in different ways, the different chakras. Mostly,
telepathy in which companions are connected or related by their emotions or
by the imagination is due to the manipura centre (solar plexus) receiving that
telepathy. The person who has awakened the manipura is very sensitive, can
be affected by other people very easily and finds it easy to receive information
from 'outside'. They can easily be influenced by the power of the other person
and information can easily come in. However if a person has awakened the ajna
chakra [the energy centre between the eyebrows] the telepathy is very different.
Then it is a very pure, intellectual telepathy and very clear, whereas the
telepathy given through the manipura chakra is very much connected with the
emotions and with a person's own imagination. Sometimes it can be mixed with
unconscious thoughts. If either the manipura or the ajna centre is awakened,
it is possible to both receive telepathy or send telepathic transmission at
will to others. However in the case where the svadisthana chakra [the sacral
centre] is awakened, all such people have some telepathic ability and can receive
some information from others, but the ability is only spontaneous; they cannot
control it at will and cannot send telepathic thoughts to others. So if people
say they sometimes have intuition or telepathy but they cannot control it at
will, that means their telepathy mostly belongs to the svadisthana chakra,
and is very raw.
SI:
Could you explain a little bit about what you mean by subjective
and objective science?
HM: Objective science means we can understand or observe something from a common
base with other people. Sometimes also objective means the science that is
based on the sense perceptions. For example, I can see this cup: you can see
it also, and this means we can say it is objective. But the subjective is always
there. For example we both see this cup but perhaps you perceive it differently
from me according to your subjective feeling and understanding which is different
from mine. We can say the same thing about intuition or telepathy. Sometimes
people say that intuition is very subjective, but I don't think so. If you
have the same ability as I have, you can, for example, see the same kind of
spiritual entity as I do, so sometimes during meditation with my disciples
and students we receive the same kind of telepathic information. That means
some activity common to all, doesn't it? So there are many meanings of objective
and subjective.
SI:
My understanding of quantum physics is that the observer can
actually affect what is observed, that the two are linked. Doesn't
this form a link between Western science and Eastern philosophies
or religions?
HM: The quantum, for instance, as in the Heisenberg uncertainty principle,
depends only on the instrument we use to observe things. For instance if we
use a photon to observe elementary particles like electrons or neutrons, according
to the type of measurement used we can measure the position of the particle
but we don't know it's velocity. But if we observe the particle in a different
way then we can know its velocity but not its position. So from this we can
understand the uncertainty principle, but we still separate the object and
the subject.
They
say if we look in a different way we can see a different thing
even though it is the same thing. In the case of psychokinetic
energy, we send out some energy and an object can be created
or changed. In quantum physics they are still separated, things
are not affected by the mind. That's completely different, is
it not? But now in order to bridge this kind of scientific view
we are proceeding more and more in the subtle area, in the subtle
dimension, and then we can soon reach the subtle energy system
like the ki. Physicists now understand the Big Bang but we cannot
explain, or we cannot find out, the initial state [ground state]
of the Big Bang, where there is no causation, time is at zero
or almost at zero. Why is the energy not divided into four? Because
in science we know only particular forms of energy like electricity
or gravity or something like that. We can measure these with
our machines so we cannot measure the energy before this discrimination
but we are now getting there. As to ki energy, if we have someone
whose chakras are awakened, then with a specially designed probe
we have been able to measure points on the subject's body with
a high potential which I believe corresponds to the chakras and
their level of activity.
My
hypothesis is that the nuclei or electrons at this part of the
body give off much energy and then the energy changes and discharges
and comes out as the energy of the photon. To verify this hypothesis,
we measure photons with a photon counter. If the chakra is awakened
and the potential is high then we are able to detect many photons
discharged from the body from the point corresponding to the
awakened chakra. We can verify the existence of the chakras and
psi [psychic] energy given concentration of the mind and an awakened
chakra, because more photons discharge. If we concentrate the
mind and there is not an awakened chakra then nothing happens.
After three seconds or 10 seconds or 20 seconds, maybe only one
photon is detected. That is usual but the awakened chakra gives
a very unusual amount of photon discharge. Because we have concentrated
at the point, this near-mental concentration of power, psychic
power, gives the energy to the photon. That is how we can find
this mechanism of the interaction between the mind and the body.
That is a new science, or not a new science perhaps but a new
medicine which is closer to other religions or philosophies.
So now we are just approaching this door, to open it.
SI:
Would you say then that science is approaching a new paradigm,
a new methodology?
HM: Yes, although many people talk about the new paradigm, but they haven't
got it, they are just speculating but actual research, like ours, embodies
this new paradigm. So I think this is completely different and much more meaningful
than just 'New Age' thought.
SI:
Yes, perhaps what is needed to bring this new paradigm to the
fore is a new type of clairvoyant scientist?
HM: Yes. "The new medical science will be outstandingly built upon the science
of the centres, and upon their knowledge all diagnosis and possible cure will
be based." Esoteric Healing, by Alice A. Bailey
| Authors
Details: Adrian Jackson.
Reprinted with the kind
permission of Share
International Magazine. |
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